Byzee Beez to Butterflies

Bobbie

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Just wanted to find out if someone can tell me the difference between this weave, Byzee Beez and Gridlock, they all look so much a like?
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MrDeranged

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I'll give it a shot, lol :)

Byzee Beez to Butterflies & Byzee Beez are essentially the same weave. They're both individual segments of Byzantine that are connected differently.

BBTB is Byzantine segments bolted to adjoining segments. Pretty sure I've also seen it referred to as "Ladder Byzantine".

BB is Byzantine segments bolted to adjoining separator rings

Now as for Gridlock, I assume you mean Gridlock Byzantine GB (unlike BB & BBTB) is NOT based on Byzantine but is based on Gridlock with extra rings added that give it a byzantine like appearance.

I'll try to take some pictures for you when I get the chance. :)
 

Bobbie

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Thank you so much for the quick response on this. I am wanting to try to do the Byzee Beez to Butteflies and Beez Stew. So I will let you know how this goes, I am trying now to find out rings sizes that I would need for 16g SWG rings, I think that this is the size that I would like to do this particular project in.
 

MrDeranged

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Both of those weaves are listed on M.A.I.L. as an AR of 4.2 Depending on the what material you're using, you should be able to get away with around 16swg 1/4" (which, depending on material type, has an AR of around 4.1 (when you account for springback)) Just remember, the ring lists are "Calculated" / "Mandrel" AR's. Ring sizes in the list do NOT account for variations in WD or springback.
 

Bobbie

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Thank you for your help with this. I made a practice piece that I am going to turn into a bracelet and I did this in 18g, I am going to try it in 16g to see how wide it ends up, and I want to make a slight adjustment, not sure if it will work or not but I will see. Here is a picture of what I already have,
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MrDeranged

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Looking very nice!!! Great color combination.

I do need to inform you that if you were going for BBTB, it looks like you have a few extra rings in there. Instead of Byzantine segments, it looks like you have two "half" byzantine segments overlapped and then bolted.

If you were going for your own variant, then Maille On! :D

Edit: Nevermind, I screwed up, I see you're doing Beez Stew, not BBTB. Wasn't familiar with that one.
 

MrDeranged

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Byzee Bees to Butterflies. I forgot you mentioned Beez Stew, which I wasn't familiar with. I edited my previous post. Your bracelet is a fine example of Beez Stew :)

I'm lazy and will abbreviate a lot ;)
 

MrDeranged

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Your picture IS Beez Stew. :D

All three of the weaves being discussed (Byzee Bees, Byzee Bees to Butterflies, Beez Stew, and Flat Byz 4in1 Tube) are all, at their root, Byzantine.

Crappy picture explanation incoming (done with rings on hand, click the image to enlarge the crappiness ;) ):
  • A full segment/unit of byzantine can be characterized as two connected, mirrored box cages.
    Byz segment.jpg


  • Byzee Beez - a separate connector ring bolted (through the cages) of adjacent full segments of Byzantine.
    BB.jpg


  • Byzee Beez to Butterflies - full segments of Byzantine bolted (through the cages) to adjoining full segments/units of Byzantine.
    BBTB.jpg


  • Beez Stew - Overlapped 2/3 segments (one box cage and a connector ring) of Byzantine (the connector rings of the opposing 2/3 segments are overlapped). Cages are bolted to adjoining cages and the overlapped connector rings of the 2/3 segments are bolted European 4 in 1 style.
    BS.jpg








    Top view (Byz 2/3 segments are symmetrical)










    BSside.jpg




    Side view - you can see that the connector rings are overlapped







  • Flat Byz 4in1 Tube - 2/3 segments of Byzantine where the connector rings are joined (European 4 in 1 style) to opposing adjacent 2/3 segments. Cages are bolted to adjacent cages.
    FB.jpg





    Top view (Byz 2/3 segments are asymmetrical)







    FBside.jpg






    Side view - you can see that the connector rings are joined to each other European 4in1 style.







Hopefully that helps show the differences between the weaves. :D
 
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