Dolphin Inspired Potential New Weave

[moaatt]

Hello everyone. I was recently trying to make Dolphin and I made a mistake. From what I can tell my primary mistake was that I neglected to have the horizontal rings between each pair of vertical rings causing each pair of vertical rings to have two vertical rings around the eye go through them. I was wondering if this is already classified as a weave or if I have stumbled upon a new weave.

 

[chainmaillers.com]

This definitely has the potential to be something different, it is NOT the same as dolphin

Looking at the maillesplosion, a weave cell of dolphin is 8 rings. What you made is only 5 rings per weave cell. The rings marked with yellow/orange (whatever that color is ) are not present in your picture. Now, as to whether this is new is another story, It would at the very least have to be checked against any "rhino" weaves, as well as ZiLi's (may he rest in peace) many rover variations.

 

[moaatt]

Thank you for the feed back, I am curious as to how long the process would take to compare the weave I made to the rhino weaves and rover variants. Additionally please let me know if there is anything I can do to assist.

 

[chainmaillers.com]

You're quite welcome As for how long the process will take, I can't give you a concrete answer. Rhino/Rover weaves are a rabbit hole that I haven't done more than dipped a toe in. I can confidently say that the weave pictured above is definitely related to Rover and/or Kora Twisted. Can I ask what AR rings you used?

 

[Karpeth]

maybe I’m blind, but what is the difference from Rover?

 

[chainmaillers.com]

maybe I’m blind, but what is the difference from Rover?

First of all, I want to note that I had to turn the render over for Rover in this screenshot so it will match the orientation of the weave in moaatt 's photo.

It looks like the purple rings are connecting to the cyan ring differently which forces the reinforced (cyan) and the red rings to turn at a greater angle.

Base Cell, Rover Cell, Moaatt Cell: (AR 5.5 for both)

Rover (Top), Moaatt (Bottom)

 

[moaatt]

You're quite welcome As for how long the process will take, I can't give you a concrete answer. Rhino/Rover weaves are a rabbit hole that I haven't done more than dipped a toe in. I can confidently say that the weave pictured above is definitely related to Rover and/or Kora Twisted. Can I ask what AR rings you used?

Thank you, I just did a quick look at M.A.I.L. and there appear to be 89 weaves tagged with Rhino so I can see how it would take a while. The AR of the rings I used to make it in the image was approximately 4.3(16 SWG wire on a 7mm mandrel).

Also looking at what I made and rover they do seem to be closely related.

 

[chainmaillers.com]

Thank you, I just did a quick look at M.A.I.L. and there appear to be 89 weaves tagged with Rhino so I can see how it would take a while. The AR of the rings I used to make it in the image was approximately 4.3(16 SWG wire on a 7mm mandrel).

Also looking at what I made and rover they do seem to be closely related.

The difference is perhaps better seen at a different angle and without the blue rings (since they have the same connections in both). Look at the positioning of the purple rings; rover on top, yours on the bottom.

The difference between the two is how the purple rings go through the cyan rings.

 

[Karpeth]

So this is basically a reversed rover? Then I know what to look for at MAIL.

 

[Karpeth]

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[chainmaillers.com]

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Nope, Ares is Rover with 2 extra rings. Take away the yellow rings and you're left with Rover.

Cell of Ares:


Rough render of Ares:

 

[Karpeth]

Huh.
If you remove Purple middle and yellow middle, you are att this new, tho?

 

[chainmaillers.com]

Do you mean blue middle and yellow middle?

Either way (purple, yellow or blue, yellow) it's not the same because the yellows only go through 2 reds. Blue and purple go through 4

 

[Karpeth]

Do you mean blue middle and yellow middle?

Either way (purple, yellow or blue, yellow) it's not the same because the yellows only go through 2 reds. Blue and purple go through 4

I See.

Then MAIL should be seen as combed.

That was the closest thing on MAIL.

 

[moaatt]

I See.

Then MAIL should be seen as combed.

That was the closest thing on MAIL.

This is potentially exciting, are there repositories other than M.A.I.L. that would need to be investigated?

 

[moaatt]

Nope, Ares is Rover with 2 extra rings. Take away the yellow rings and you're left with Rover.

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Cell of Ares:
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Rough render of Ares:
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Also, if you remove the yellow rings you would end up with rover right?

 

[moaatt]

The difference is perhaps better seen at a different angle and without the blue rings (since they have the same connections in both). Look at the positioning of the purple rings; rover on top, yours on the bottom.

View attachment 7472

The difference between the two is how the purple rings go through the cyan rings.

Thank you, this does make the difference quite clear.

 

[chainmaillers.com]

Also, if you remove the yellow rings you would end up with rover right?

Nope, Ares is Rover with 2 extra rings. Take away the yellow rings and you're left with Rover.

Just take away the "nope" from my original reply to Karpeth and you have your answer

 

[chainmaillers.com]

This is potentially exciting, are there repositories other than M.A.I.L. that would need to be investigated?

There are 4 major repositories of weaves that I know of, The Maillepedia, MAIL (Maille Artisans), Chainmailbasket, and Tome of Weaves. I use all 3 of the others for research. The only reason I don't cite CMB (chainmailbasket) is because it's one big list without any easy way to link directly to a specific weave.

 

[Karpeth]

There are 4 major repositories of weaves that I know of, The Maillepedia, MAIL (Maille Artisans), Chainmailbasket, and Tome of Weaves. I use all 3 of the others for research. The only reason I don't cite CMB (chainmailbasket) is because it's one big list without any easy way to link directly to a specific weave.

These are the ones that ”have survived”.

There have been several over the years - but MAIL has always been at the center.

All others, such ass MWW or CGM are no longer avaliable and were always a subset of other repositries.